1 00:00:02,860 --> 00:00:07,670 [Music] 2 00:00:14,390 --> 00:00:11,209 hello and welcome to episode number 71 3 00:00:19,189 --> 00:00:14,400 of the point of convergence podcast as 4 00:00:21,349 --> 00:00:19,199 always I am your host EXO academian 5 00:00:23,210 --> 00:00:21,359 ever since human beings have had some 6 00:00:25,609 --> 00:00:23,220 sense of the immensity of the cosmos 7 00:00:28,250 --> 00:00:25,619 when we look up to the starry array 8 00:00:31,070 --> 00:00:28,260 above our heads in the dark of night an 9 00:00:33,290 --> 00:00:31,080 enduring question emerges how many other 10 00:00:35,630 --> 00:00:33,300 planets with sophisticated civilizations 11 00:00:37,610 --> 00:00:35,640 like ours are out there 12 00:00:39,830 --> 00:00:37,620 with a thousand pinpricks of light 13 00:00:40,970 --> 00:00:39,840 coming through that black tapestry of 14 00:00:43,490 --> 00:00:40,980 the night sky 15 00:00:46,310 --> 00:00:43,500 many of us logically assume the cosmos 16 00:00:48,950 --> 00:00:46,320 is likely teeming with life 17 00:00:51,110 --> 00:00:48,960 of course that initial impression based 18 00:00:54,290 --> 00:00:51,120 more on a hunch perhaps than solid data 19 00:00:56,029 --> 00:00:54,300 has only grown stronger and stronger as 20 00:00:58,130 --> 00:00:56,039 our understanding of the immense scope 21 00:00:59,150 --> 00:00:58,140 of the universe has come more fully into 22 00:01:01,970 --> 00:00:59,160 view 23 00:01:05,630 --> 00:01:01,980 dazzling as the Earth our home planet is 24 00:01:08,390 --> 00:01:05,640 it is but one rock circling one star in 25 00:01:10,570 --> 00:01:08,400 one star system amongst hundreds of 26 00:01:14,090 --> 00:01:10,580 billions in our Milky Way galaxy alone 27 00:01:16,670 --> 00:01:14,100 and likewise that Galaxy is merely one 28 00:01:19,429 --> 00:01:16,680 of trillions scattered across the vast 29 00:01:22,550 --> 00:01:19,439 expanse of the cosmos 30 00:01:24,710 --> 00:01:22,560 the so-called Fermi Paradox arises from 31 00:01:26,929 --> 00:01:24,720 the apparent conflict between the lack 32 00:01:29,030 --> 00:01:26,939 of clear obvious signs of 33 00:01:31,429 --> 00:01:29,040 extraterrestrial life despite 34 00:01:33,530 --> 00:01:31,439 consistently High estimates for their 35 00:01:35,590 --> 00:01:33,540 probable existence 36 00:01:38,090 --> 00:01:35,600 this Paradox is named after 37 00:01:41,210 --> 00:01:38,100 Italian-American physicist and Enrico 38 00:01:43,550 --> 00:01:41,220 Fermi who as the story goes in the midst 39 00:01:46,069 --> 00:01:43,560 of a casual conversation with fellow 40 00:01:48,950 --> 00:01:46,079 physicists in almost a precise middle of 41 00:01:51,170 --> 00:01:48,960 the 20th century exclaimed when thinking 42 00:01:53,690 --> 00:01:51,180 on these matters but where is everybody 43 00:01:56,929 --> 00:01:53,700 or something to that effect 44 00:01:58,969 --> 00:01:56,939 it is indeed a perplexing matter as time 45 00:02:01,370 --> 00:01:58,979 has gone on we've gathered more and more 46 00:02:04,910 --> 00:02:01,380 evidence not just about how gargantuan 47 00:02:06,469 --> 00:02:04,920 the cosmos actually is but how as Dr Ian 48 00:02:08,870 --> 00:02:06,479 Malcolm a character in the original 49 00:02:12,170 --> 00:02:08,880 Jurassic Park movie played by Jeff 50 00:02:14,690 --> 00:02:12,180 Goldblum famously says life finds a way 51 00:02:17,150 --> 00:02:14,700 in other words life seems to spring up 52 00:02:20,030 --> 00:02:17,160 in even the most inhospitable of 53 00:02:22,010 --> 00:02:20,040 environments that being the case and 54 00:02:24,710 --> 00:02:22,020 considering how many goldilocks-like 55 00:02:26,630 --> 00:02:24,720 planets must exist even amongst the many 56 00:02:29,330 --> 00:02:26,640 planets that are perhaps not suited for 57 00:02:32,150 --> 00:02:29,340 life where are all these civilizations 58 00:02:33,830 --> 00:02:32,160 why are we not finding clear evidence of 59 00:02:35,869 --> 00:02:33,840 their existence 60 00:02:38,809 --> 00:02:35,879 of course the Fermi Paradox makes 61 00:02:40,790 --> 00:02:38,819 certain assumptions firstly about the 62 00:02:42,970 --> 00:02:40,800 nature and Ultimate Reality of the 63 00:02:46,190 --> 00:02:42,980 space-time construct we find ourselves 64 00:02:47,930 --> 00:02:46,200 seemingly firmly embedded Within 65 00:02:49,910 --> 00:02:47,940 but also about the notion that 66 00:02:52,130 --> 00:02:49,920 civilizations that are perhaps out there 67 00:02:54,650 --> 00:02:52,140 and perhaps are much more advanced than 68 00:02:56,930 --> 00:02:54,660 we earthlings would not choose to 69 00:02:58,550 --> 00:02:56,940 interfere with our ability to perceive 70 00:03:00,650 --> 00:02:58,560 their existence 71 00:03:03,170 --> 00:03:00,660 when you really think about it this is a 72 00:03:05,270 --> 00:03:03,180 rather strange assumption to make after 73 00:03:08,030 --> 00:03:05,280 all we manipulate our environment almost 74 00:03:09,770 --> 00:03:08,040 the moment we gain the ability to why 75 00:03:11,509 --> 00:03:09,780 would this not occur with Interstellar 76 00:03:13,210 --> 00:03:11,519 civilizations that have mastered 77 00:03:15,770 --> 00:03:13,220 Interstellar and perhaps even 78 00:03:18,830 --> 00:03:15,780 Intergalactic travel in the same way 79 00:03:21,110 --> 00:03:18,840 we've mastered InterContinental travel 80 00:03:23,030 --> 00:03:21,120 and of course last but certainly not 81 00:03:24,949 --> 00:03:23,040 least there is the clear evidence 82 00:03:27,530 --> 00:03:24,959 gathered not just over the course of 83 00:03:29,869 --> 00:03:27,540 what you might call the modern UFO era 84 00:03:32,030 --> 00:03:29,879 reaching back to the early to mid 20th 85 00:03:34,630 --> 00:03:32,040 century but even to our distant 86 00:03:37,490 --> 00:03:34,640 religious lore and early creation myths 87 00:03:39,949 --> 00:03:37,500 suggesting these others have been here 88 00:03:42,890 --> 00:03:39,959 for a very long time perhaps even 89 00:03:45,050 --> 00:03:42,900 predating us as beings walking this blue 90 00:03:47,509 --> 00:03:45,060 pearl of a planet 91 00:03:48,649 --> 00:03:47,519 so all this being the case what does 92 00:03:50,990 --> 00:03:48,659 this mean 93 00:03:52,970 --> 00:03:51,000 why are we simultaneously being visited 94 00:03:55,610 --> 00:03:52,980 and interactive with by these 95 00:03:57,350 --> 00:03:55,620 non-conventionally human others while 96 00:04:00,410 --> 00:03:57,360 also being presented with a visible 97 00:04:01,369 --> 00:04:00,420 universe that appears starkly devoid of 98 00:04:03,470 --> 00:04:01,379 life 99 00:04:05,570 --> 00:04:03,480 these are the compelling and head 100 00:04:08,809 --> 00:04:05,580 scratching matters that will endeavor to 101 00:04:13,370 --> 00:04:08,819 make sense of in this the 71st episode 102 00:04:18,710 --> 00:04:16,550 [Music] 103 00:04:20,330 --> 00:04:18,720 as we begin this week's episode I would 104 00:04:22,730 --> 00:04:20,340 just like to give a shout out to my 105 00:04:24,530 --> 00:04:22,740 patreon supporters and for those of you 106 00:04:26,330 --> 00:04:24,540 interested in becoming patreon 107 00:04:28,550 --> 00:04:26,340 supporters I would just say that 108 00:04:31,070 --> 00:04:28,560 beginning this fall I will be offering 109 00:04:33,710 --> 00:04:31,080 bonus loads once a month to patreon 110 00:04:36,469 --> 00:04:33,720 supporters as well as hosting ask me 111 00:04:40,550 --> 00:04:36,479 anything sessions as well 112 00:04:43,909 --> 00:04:40,560 all right on to this episode's topic the 113 00:04:45,290 --> 00:04:43,919 Fermi Paradox what is up with that well 114 00:04:47,810 --> 00:04:45,300 I would suggest that the apparent 115 00:04:50,510 --> 00:04:47,820 reality itself hints at the answer 116 00:04:53,210 --> 00:04:50,520 because the apparent reality is a 117 00:04:55,670 --> 00:04:53,220 contradiction our models of the universe 118 00:04:58,430 --> 00:04:55,680 are such that we believe sophisticated 119 00:05:01,129 --> 00:04:58,440 life should Exist Elsewhere probably in 120 00:05:03,590 --> 00:05:01,139 abundance and yet we're not finding any 121 00:05:06,230 --> 00:05:03,600 apparent evidence of this when we look 122 00:05:08,390 --> 00:05:06,240 out at the immensity of the cosmos which 123 00:05:11,810 --> 00:05:08,400 we have the power to do more than we 124 00:05:13,610 --> 00:05:11,820 ever have before what does this mean 125 00:05:15,950 --> 00:05:13,620 now for those of us who are familiar 126 00:05:17,689 --> 00:05:15,960 with the UFO phenomenon topic and who 127 00:05:19,670 --> 00:05:17,699 take experience or accounts seriously 128 00:05:22,670 --> 00:05:19,680 which I will make the initial point of 129 00:05:24,950 --> 00:05:22,680 saying we should this is a data set 130 00:05:27,050 --> 00:05:24,960 every time someone has an experience 131 00:05:30,050 --> 00:05:27,060 with an apparent non-human intelligence 132 00:05:32,210 --> 00:05:30,060 that is a data point when we take that 133 00:05:35,210 --> 00:05:32,220 across the entirety of these reports 134 00:05:36,950 --> 00:05:35,220 that is a data set this is legitimate 135 00:05:40,129 --> 00:05:36,960 evidence that we need to pay attention 136 00:05:43,010 --> 00:05:40,139 to especially when we find commonalities 137 00:05:45,409 --> 00:05:43,020 across the broad swath of those reports 138 00:05:47,990 --> 00:05:45,419 this is probably the most important 139 00:05:49,670 --> 00:05:48,000 evidence we need to pay attention to Yes 140 00:05:52,670 --> 00:05:49,680 it matters when we spot things in the 141 00:05:55,010 --> 00:05:52,680 sky and we capture videos and photos of 142 00:05:58,129 --> 00:05:55,020 them but the interactions with the 143 00:06:00,050 --> 00:05:58,139 intelligences is what really matters in 144 00:06:02,689 --> 00:06:00,060 fact I would argue that the public face 145 00:06:04,850 --> 00:06:02,699 of this entire Endeavor is a bit of a 146 00:06:06,890 --> 00:06:04,860 farce because we don't even address 147 00:06:09,409 --> 00:06:06,900 really publicly in the conventional 148 00:06:12,409 --> 00:06:09,419 mainstream media what this means about 149 00:06:14,150 --> 00:06:12,419 who these are what are these occupants 150 00:06:16,070 --> 00:06:14,160 what is the nature of this intelligence 151 00:06:18,770 --> 00:06:16,080 what does it mean that these are 152 00:06:20,570 --> 00:06:18,780 non-human even when we write this into 153 00:06:23,330 --> 00:06:20,580 the Congressional Record with language 154 00:06:25,189 --> 00:06:23,340 talking about only paying attention to 155 00:06:26,990 --> 00:06:25,199 vehicles that are supposedly of a 156 00:06:29,390 --> 00:06:27,000 non-human origin 157 00:06:33,529 --> 00:06:29,400 or saying bluntly what we're getting at 158 00:06:35,870 --> 00:06:33,539 here non-human intelligence aliens in 159 00:06:37,969 --> 00:06:35,880 our midst it's in the language that has 160 00:06:39,650 --> 00:06:37,979 been drafted by congress 161 00:06:42,290 --> 00:06:39,660 this is what we really should be paying 162 00:06:44,090 --> 00:06:42,300 attention to again I would argue that 163 00:06:47,029 --> 00:06:44,100 the broad swath of experience through 164 00:06:49,370 --> 00:06:47,039 data is very valuable perhaps the most 165 00:06:50,749 --> 00:06:49,380 valuable data we have to pay attention 166 00:06:53,749 --> 00:06:50,759 to 167 00:06:56,390 --> 00:06:53,759 now not only do we find evidence of 168 00:06:59,029 --> 00:06:56,400 these others having been here and that 169 00:07:01,490 --> 00:06:59,039 they're still here but we also when we 170 00:07:04,430 --> 00:07:01,500 look with unprejudiced and humble eyes 171 00:07:07,610 --> 00:07:04,440 see evidence suggesting they some of 172 00:07:10,370 --> 00:07:07,620 them anyway are likely responsible for 173 00:07:13,790 --> 00:07:10,380 our very existence that we are indeed 174 00:07:15,650 --> 00:07:13,800 the fruit of their seating program 175 00:07:17,930 --> 00:07:15,660 now again the reason why this is not 176 00:07:20,450 --> 00:07:17,940 taken seriously in the mainstream is 177 00:07:23,570 --> 00:07:20,460 because we do not look with unprejudiced 178 00:07:25,249 --> 00:07:23,580 and humble eyes for the most part most 179 00:07:27,650 --> 00:07:25,259 people do not they like to believe that 180 00:07:29,749 --> 00:07:27,660 we have been unenhanced that we haven't 181 00:07:31,490 --> 00:07:29,759 been played with that we haven't been 182 00:07:33,589 --> 00:07:31,500 the experiment of some more 183 00:07:36,170 --> 00:07:33,599 sophisticated intelligence that predates 184 00:07:38,749 --> 00:07:36,180 us all of that is bias all that is 185 00:07:40,969 --> 00:07:38,759 Prejudice none of it is based on the 186 00:07:43,430 --> 00:07:40,979 evidence at hand 187 00:07:46,610 --> 00:07:43,440 now furthermore as I've touched on in 188 00:07:49,490 --> 00:07:46,620 other podcasts the consistently bipedal 189 00:07:52,850 --> 00:07:49,500 humanoid and often fully human looking 190 00:07:55,969 --> 00:07:52,860 others makes it clear that we are but 191 00:07:58,490 --> 00:07:55,979 one batch or one iteration of a vast 192 00:08:00,409 --> 00:07:58,500 Cosmic seating program 193 00:08:02,450 --> 00:08:00,419 now when you think about this it 194 00:08:04,850 --> 00:08:02,460 actually makes sense 195 00:08:06,650 --> 00:08:04,860 if civilization sprung up at very 196 00:08:09,409 --> 00:08:06,660 different points in the history of our 197 00:08:11,029 --> 00:08:09,419 Cosmos then some would advance to the 198 00:08:13,790 --> 00:08:11,039 point where they could start ceding 199 00:08:16,129 --> 00:08:13,800 other civilizations long before those 200 00:08:18,589 --> 00:08:16,139 civilizations would have sprung up on 201 00:08:20,629 --> 00:08:18,599 their own if indeed they ever would have 202 00:08:22,430 --> 00:08:20,639 sprung up on their own based on the 203 00:08:23,990 --> 00:08:22,440 local conditions of any particular 204 00:08:25,730 --> 00:08:24,000 planet 205 00:08:27,890 --> 00:08:25,740 those who are proponents of the 206 00:08:29,749 --> 00:08:27,900 simulation hypothesis have suggested 207 00:08:32,209 --> 00:08:29,759 based purely on mathematical 208 00:08:34,790 --> 00:08:32,219 probabilities that we're more likely the 209 00:08:37,969 --> 00:08:34,800 holographic simulation of some physical 210 00:08:40,070 --> 00:08:37,979 civilization living in base reality then 211 00:08:41,930 --> 00:08:40,080 we are actually beings living in a base 212 00:08:44,029 --> 00:08:41,940 reality ourselves 213 00:08:46,130 --> 00:08:44,039 now I understand this thinking but I 214 00:08:47,990 --> 00:08:46,140 think it goes awry in assuming slash 215 00:08:50,630 --> 00:08:48,000 believing that the quote unquote 216 00:08:53,930 --> 00:08:50,640 physical universe is ultimately base 217 00:08:55,850 --> 00:08:53,940 reality I don't think it is but what we 218 00:08:59,150 --> 00:08:55,860 can draw from this is the notion that 219 00:09:00,949 --> 00:08:59,160 it's more likely probably by far that we 220 00:09:03,889 --> 00:09:00,959 are the experiment of some much more 221 00:09:05,690 --> 00:09:03,899 sophisticated civilization then we are a 222 00:09:08,810 --> 00:09:05,700 species that just so happened to spring 223 00:09:11,570 --> 00:09:08,820 up on their own via the process of 224 00:09:14,030 --> 00:09:11,580 evolution by natural selection 225 00:09:15,470 --> 00:09:14,040 and of course for all the theory of 226 00:09:17,870 --> 00:09:15,480 natural selection has been able to 227 00:09:19,790 --> 00:09:17,880 explain there are elements of our 228 00:09:21,170 --> 00:09:19,800 Natures that it has not adequately 229 00:09:24,230 --> 00:09:21,180 addressed 230 00:09:26,990 --> 00:09:24,240 of course as with archeology there is a 231 00:09:29,930 --> 00:09:27,000 bias towards non-intervention when it 232 00:09:32,090 --> 00:09:29,940 comes to these models scientists in 233 00:09:33,949 --> 00:09:32,100 these fields will do their darndest to 234 00:09:37,130 --> 00:09:33,959 explain our development according to 235 00:09:39,110 --> 00:09:37,140 purely naturalistic models mainly as a 236 00:09:40,970 --> 00:09:39,120 pushback against the church's notion 237 00:09:43,310 --> 00:09:40,980 that we are the Clockwork construction 238 00:09:45,350 --> 00:09:43,320 of an ever-present God who exists 239 00:09:47,690 --> 00:09:45,360 outside of space-time in other words 240 00:09:50,690 --> 00:09:47,700 that was the historical context in which 241 00:09:52,850 --> 00:09:50,700 science sprung up and it was pushing 242 00:09:55,550 --> 00:09:52,860 back against its previous power 243 00:09:58,190 --> 00:09:55,560 structure which was the church but in 244 00:10:00,230 --> 00:09:58,200 doing that it has overreached this 245 00:10:02,050 --> 00:10:00,240 overreach by the scientific mainstream 246 00:10:04,370 --> 00:10:02,060 misses the writing on the wall 247 00:10:06,710 --> 00:10:04,380 suggesting that we have not only been 248 00:10:09,110 --> 00:10:06,720 tweaked at various points in our species 249 00:10:11,150 --> 00:10:09,120 history but that our very initial 250 00:10:14,210 --> 00:10:11,160 Genesis is likely tied to the 251 00:10:17,329 --> 00:10:14,220 intervention of some extraterrestrial 252 00:10:19,490 --> 00:10:17,339 slash interdimensional intelligence 253 00:10:21,829 --> 00:10:19,500 Again part of the problem with the 254 00:10:24,590 --> 00:10:21,839 mainstream view is that it takes us a 255 00:10:26,210 --> 00:10:24,600 given that what we observe is actually 256 00:10:28,130 --> 00:10:26,220 base reality 257 00:10:30,410 --> 00:10:28,140 there are numerous diverse but 258 00:10:34,130 --> 00:10:30,420 converging lines of evidence suggesting 259 00:10:36,050 --> 00:10:34,140 this is simply not likely to be the case 260 00:10:38,210 --> 00:10:36,060 first we have Donald Hoffman's work 261 00:10:41,210 --> 00:10:38,220 which I've discussed numerous times on 262 00:10:46,190 --> 00:10:41,220 this podcast suggesting that what we see 263 00:10:49,310 --> 00:10:46,200 feel hear taste I.E experience is not 264 00:10:52,670 --> 00:10:49,320 reality but rather an interface which 265 00:10:55,449 --> 00:10:52,680 offers to us icons of experience which 266 00:10:58,069 --> 00:10:55,459 only very Loosely and non-literally 267 00:11:00,530 --> 00:10:58,079 associate with some deeper structure of 268 00:11:02,750 --> 00:11:00,540 reality that exists outside of 269 00:11:05,630 --> 00:11:02,760 space-time altogether 270 00:11:07,790 --> 00:11:05,640 space-time being itself merely an aspect 271 00:11:09,650 --> 00:11:07,800 of our interface 272 00:11:11,750 --> 00:11:09,660 then we have the work of cutting-edge 273 00:11:14,449 --> 00:11:11,760 physicists such as Ed Whitton and Nema 274 00:11:16,550 --> 00:11:14,459 arkani Hamed telling us that physics 275 00:11:19,910 --> 00:11:16,560 itself is telling us that space-time 276 00:11:20,750 --> 00:11:19,920 cannot be fundamental the math tells us 277 00:11:22,670 --> 00:11:20,760 this 278 00:11:24,470 --> 00:11:22,680 and they were already indeed seeing 279 00:11:27,590 --> 00:11:24,480 evidence for structures that exist 280 00:11:30,410 --> 00:11:27,600 outside space-time altogether structures 281 00:11:32,870 --> 00:11:30,420 such as the amplitohedron 282 00:11:35,569 --> 00:11:32,880 finally we have the experience of human 283 00:11:37,790 --> 00:11:35,579 beings intersecting with various others 284 00:11:40,310 --> 00:11:37,800 that are part and parcel of what we 285 00:11:43,730 --> 00:11:40,320 colloquially refer to as the UFO 286 00:11:46,069 --> 00:11:43,740 phenomenon who can at a moment's notice 287 00:11:48,889 --> 00:11:46,079 at the very apparent whim of these 288 00:11:51,290 --> 00:11:48,899 non-human others experience an entire 289 00:11:53,509 --> 00:11:51,300 perceptual set that is different than it 290 00:11:55,430 --> 00:11:53,519 was and that is different than everyone 291 00:11:57,949 --> 00:11:55,440 else around 292 00:11:59,810 --> 00:11:57,959 simply put they can boot up an 293 00:12:02,110 --> 00:11:59,820 experience of reality that is custom 294 00:12:04,550 --> 00:12:02,120 crafted for each and every one of us 295 00:12:07,250 --> 00:12:04,560 whenever they want to 296 00:12:09,230 --> 00:12:07,260 that's exactly why there are numerous 297 00:12:12,350 --> 00:12:09,240 reports of for instance two or three 298 00:12:14,630 --> 00:12:12,360 people seeing vast spacecraft floating 299 00:12:17,930 --> 00:12:14,640 over a busy Interstate while everyone 300 00:12:20,389 --> 00:12:17,940 else remains completely oblivious 301 00:12:22,730 --> 00:12:20,399 all that is to say the Fermi Paradox 302 00:12:25,730 --> 00:12:22,740 exists not because of some underlying 303 00:12:28,430 --> 00:12:25,740 truth of reality but as an artifact of 304 00:12:29,269 --> 00:12:28,440 the interface these others serve up for 305 00:12:32,329 --> 00:12:29,279 us 306 00:12:35,630 --> 00:12:32,339 we only see experience and are able to 307 00:12:36,530 --> 00:12:35,640 measure what they deem appropriate full 308 00:12:38,509 --> 00:12:36,540 stop 309 00:12:41,230 --> 00:12:38,519 and as long as we continue to believe 310 00:12:44,269 --> 00:12:41,240 that we are in an unimpeded way 311 00:12:46,069 --> 00:12:44,279 interacting with base reality we will be 312 00:12:48,769 --> 00:12:46,079 fooled by the illusion of our 313 00:12:50,810 --> 00:12:48,779 holographic surroundings 314 00:12:53,269 --> 00:12:50,820 many are familiar with the notion of a 315 00:12:55,190 --> 00:12:53,279 prime directive in Star Trek 316 00:12:57,230 --> 00:12:55,200 now it should not be surprising to us 317 00:12:59,690 --> 00:12:57,240 that many have wondered what the 318 00:13:02,509 --> 00:12:59,700 originator of Star Trek a man named Gene 319 00:13:05,030 --> 00:13:02,519 Roddenberry had come into contact with 320 00:13:07,490 --> 00:13:05,040 or awareness of because many of the 321 00:13:09,350 --> 00:13:07,500 Notions shared in that Series so closely 322 00:13:11,810 --> 00:13:09,360 resemble 323 00:13:14,509 --> 00:13:11,820 the Notions we have communicated To Us 324 00:13:16,970 --> 00:13:14,519 by experiencers not the least of which 325 00:13:19,610 --> 00:13:16,980 of course is the consistently bipedal 326 00:13:23,210 --> 00:13:19,620 humanoid shape of these various alien 327 00:13:25,430 --> 00:13:23,220 species as is the case on the show 328 00:13:28,550 --> 00:13:25,440 with the prime directive the notion is 329 00:13:30,829 --> 00:13:28,560 that a local species civilization should 330 00:13:32,810 --> 00:13:30,839 not be interacted with prematurely 331 00:13:34,670 --> 00:13:32,820 because this will impact their normal 332 00:13:36,949 --> 00:13:34,680 course of development 333 00:13:39,949 --> 00:13:36,959 there is a sense that like children 334 00:13:42,170 --> 00:13:39,959 without so-called helicopter parents a 335 00:13:45,530 --> 00:13:42,180 civilization must learn the Deep truths 336 00:13:47,810 --> 00:13:45,540 of life through trial and error without 337 00:13:50,569 --> 00:13:47,820 the obvious interference or overbearing 338 00:13:53,389 --> 00:13:50,579 intervention of some higher more 339 00:13:55,550 --> 00:13:53,399 civilized race or civilization 340 00:13:57,829 --> 00:13:55,560 there certainly seems to be a parent in 341 00:14:00,230 --> 00:13:57,839 the ways these various others have 342 00:14:01,730 --> 00:14:00,240 interacted with us and the fact that 343 00:14:04,370 --> 00:14:01,740 they all seem to adhere to this 344 00:14:06,889 --> 00:14:04,380 principle for the most part suggest that 345 00:14:08,210 --> 00:14:06,899 this really is a cosmic Norm that is 346 00:14:09,889 --> 00:14:08,220 followed 347 00:14:12,350 --> 00:14:09,899 but what I'm saying here is that this 348 00:14:14,810 --> 00:14:12,360 principle of non-interference goes 349 00:14:17,329 --> 00:14:14,820 beyond this I'm saying that the very 350 00:14:20,389 --> 00:14:17,339 reality quote unquote we are permitted 351 00:14:23,150 --> 00:14:20,399 to know exists is controlled as a part 352 00:14:25,490 --> 00:14:23,160 of this maturation process 353 00:14:27,410 --> 00:14:25,500 and as I've already stated that means 354 00:14:29,750 --> 00:14:27,420 what we're actually able to see an 355 00:14:32,329 --> 00:14:29,760 experience of the physical Universe in 356 00:14:36,590 --> 00:14:32,339 air quotes is determined in large part 357 00:14:38,870 --> 00:14:36,600 by our current level of development 358 00:14:40,910 --> 00:14:38,880 so let's pause here for a moment to make 359 00:14:43,550 --> 00:14:40,920 this point really clear 360 00:14:46,490 --> 00:14:43,560 think back to the movie The Matrix 361 00:14:48,710 --> 00:14:46,500 The Matrix depicts a dystopian future in 362 00:14:51,590 --> 00:14:48,720 which humanity is unknowingly trapped 363 00:14:54,110 --> 00:14:51,600 inside a simulated reality The Matrix 364 00:14:56,509 --> 00:14:54,120 which intelligent machines have created 365 00:14:59,150 --> 00:14:56,519 to distract humans while using their 366 00:15:02,509 --> 00:14:59,160 bodies as an energy source 367 00:15:04,970 --> 00:15:02,519 now what I'm saying here is that we also 368 00:15:07,310 --> 00:15:04,980 are in a kind of Matrix that is not 369 00:15:09,710 --> 00:15:07,320 controlled by robots intelligent 370 00:15:11,810 --> 00:15:09,720 machines but by more sophisticated 371 00:15:14,509 --> 00:15:11,820 intelligences perhaps the very 372 00:15:17,030 --> 00:15:14,519 intelligences who seated us on this 373 00:15:18,530 --> 00:15:17,040 planet along with other iterations they 374 00:15:21,290 --> 00:15:18,540 seated elsewhere 375 00:15:23,150 --> 00:15:21,300 and that it's not that we just don't 376 00:15:24,829 --> 00:15:23,160 interact with them that they keep their 377 00:15:27,829 --> 00:15:24,839 distance like as with the prime 378 00:15:30,829 --> 00:15:27,839 directive in Star Trek so as to not bias 379 00:15:33,470 --> 00:15:30,839 our development but that the very way we 380 00:15:35,629 --> 00:15:33,480 see reality the way we see the universe 381 00:15:38,930 --> 00:15:35,639 what we see of the universe is 382 00:15:42,290 --> 00:15:38,940 controlled by them by what they allow us 383 00:15:44,930 --> 00:15:42,300 to see as part of our interface 384 00:15:47,810 --> 00:15:44,940 and this is precisely why it's so simple 385 00:15:50,030 --> 00:15:47,820 for them many of them to just show up in 386 00:15:51,949 --> 00:15:50,040 our reality they pop in and they pop out 387 00:15:54,230 --> 00:15:51,959 whether that's in the sky above our 388 00:15:56,650 --> 00:15:54,240 heads or in our bedrooms in the middle 389 00:16:00,050 --> 00:15:56,660 of the night they can do this because 390 00:16:02,030 --> 00:16:00,060 the reality we think we live in is an 391 00:16:04,970 --> 00:16:02,040 interface as I keep saying as Donald 392 00:16:07,370 --> 00:16:04,980 Hoffman and others have postulated again 393 00:16:09,889 --> 00:16:07,380 as physicists like Nima arkani Hamad 394 00:16:12,710 --> 00:16:09,899 have suggested space-time and quantum 395 00:16:15,650 --> 00:16:12,720 theory being a projection of a deeper 396 00:16:17,689 --> 00:16:15,660 structure that these others know of this 397 00:16:20,750 --> 00:16:17,699 deeper structure they work in those 398 00:16:23,269 --> 00:16:20,760 Realms and therefore they can manipulate 399 00:16:26,210 --> 00:16:23,279 the projection itself which ends up 400 00:16:28,430 --> 00:16:26,220 looking to us like the violation of our 401 00:16:31,189 --> 00:16:28,440 understanding of physics but the issue 402 00:16:33,889 --> 00:16:31,199 is that physics is really just rules 403 00:16:36,350 --> 00:16:33,899 that are part of the interface part of 404 00:16:38,210 --> 00:16:36,360 the virtual reality these others of 405 00:16:40,670 --> 00:16:38,220 course are working in the source code 406 00:16:43,550 --> 00:16:40,680 behind that and so it's Child's Play for 407 00:16:45,949 --> 00:16:43,560 them so this is the key point in Star 408 00:16:47,329 --> 00:16:45,959 Trek you have the prime directive which 409 00:16:49,430 --> 00:16:47,339 says that more sophisticated 410 00:16:52,150 --> 00:16:49,440 civilizations shouldn't interfere 411 00:16:54,769 --> 00:16:52,160 prematurely with less sophisticated ones 412 00:16:56,449 --> 00:16:54,779 that is true for the most part that's 413 00:16:59,810 --> 00:16:56,459 why they don't land on the White House 414 00:17:02,749 --> 00:16:59,820 lawn but furthermore the very nature of 415 00:17:05,090 --> 00:17:02,759 what we experience as reality is also 416 00:17:07,130 --> 00:17:05,100 controlled by them 417 00:17:09,350 --> 00:17:07,140 this is the part that is often missed 418 00:17:11,689 --> 00:17:09,360 and this is the very reality I'm 419 00:17:14,809 --> 00:17:11,699 suggesting is being strongly hinted at 420 00:17:16,669 --> 00:17:14,819 in the Fermi Paradox where on the one 421 00:17:19,730 --> 00:17:16,679 hand we know there should be life out 422 00:17:21,230 --> 00:17:19,740 there plentiful life and yet we're not 423 00:17:24,530 --> 00:17:21,240 finding it and I'm saying it's because 424 00:17:26,270 --> 00:17:24,540 of this ability of them to control what 425 00:17:27,949 --> 00:17:26,280 we observe 426 00:17:30,350 --> 00:17:27,959 that if you think about our virtual 427 00:17:32,270 --> 00:17:30,360 reality and having a headset on the 428 00:17:34,490 --> 00:17:32,280 reality you see within the headset all 429 00:17:37,610 --> 00:17:34,500 of our science all of our tools all of 430 00:17:40,310 --> 00:17:37,620 our physics everything is measuring what 431 00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:40,320 we observe inside the headset of the 432 00:17:44,570 --> 00:17:42,960 virtual reality it's not base reality 433 00:17:47,150 --> 00:17:44,580 itself and that's why we're looking at 434 00:17:49,190 --> 00:17:47,160 precisely the wrong place to find them 435 00:17:52,430 --> 00:17:49,200 and that's indeed exactly what Donald 436 00:17:55,250 --> 00:17:52,440 Hoffman suggests he also believes that 437 00:17:58,190 --> 00:17:55,260 reality itself is likely teaming with 438 00:18:00,590 --> 00:17:58,200 what he calls conscious agents but we 439 00:18:03,590 --> 00:18:00,600 only interact with the ones which are 440 00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:03,600 interface serves up an icon of that's 441 00:18:07,850 --> 00:18:05,760 the really key distinction and I think 442 00:18:10,610 --> 00:18:07,860 that's key to understanding General 443 00:18:13,010 --> 00:18:10,620 paranormality and certainly The Mystery 444 00:18:14,930 --> 00:18:13,020 of the UFO phenomenon 445 00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:14,940 I would also like to stop and make 446 00:18:19,130 --> 00:18:17,280 another key distinction here because 447 00:18:21,289 --> 00:18:19,140 when people think about these others 448 00:18:23,570 --> 00:18:21,299 some of them perhaps being the very 449 00:18:25,850 --> 00:18:23,580 civilizations that seated our 450 00:18:28,190 --> 00:18:25,860 civilization that they perhaps wanted to 451 00:18:31,370 --> 00:18:28,200 mirror themselves by planting another 452 00:18:33,409 --> 00:18:31,380 seed like themselves here to see how it 453 00:18:36,049 --> 00:18:33,419 would go and that might even involve 454 00:18:38,510 --> 00:18:36,059 genetic manipulation The genome itself 455 00:18:41,690 --> 00:18:38,520 being supplanted by them 456 00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:41,700 now a key here is that some will look at 457 00:18:46,190 --> 00:18:43,440 them therefore and say well these are 458 00:18:47,870 --> 00:18:46,200 the gods of old on the one hand you 459 00:18:50,570 --> 00:18:47,880 could see them that way and when we 460 00:18:53,570 --> 00:18:50,580 think back to phenomena such as cargo 461 00:18:55,810 --> 00:18:53,580 Cults you see how that often happens 462 00:18:58,490 --> 00:18:55,820 when a less sophisticated civilization 463 00:19:00,409 --> 00:18:58,500 comes into contact with the technology 464 00:19:03,230 --> 00:19:00,419 of a more sophisticated civilization 465 00:19:06,049 --> 00:19:03,240 they tend to see them as gods they try 466 00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:06,059 to worship them they try to appeal to 467 00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:08,160 them to change their reality 468 00:19:14,029 --> 00:19:11,039 But ultimately these higher beings are 469 00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:14,039 merely just more sophisticated forms of 470 00:19:19,370 --> 00:19:17,280 other kinds of biological life 471 00:19:22,010 --> 00:19:19,380 that's what's going on here as well just 472 00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:22,020 because they seated us doesn't mean that 473 00:19:26,810 --> 00:19:24,240 they are gods in the pure sense of that 474 00:19:29,930 --> 00:19:26,820 term meaning outside of what you might 475 00:19:32,690 --> 00:19:29,940 call the circle of life altogether no 476 00:19:34,970 --> 00:19:32,700 what I'm suggesting is that the very way 477 00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:34,980 that the circle of life eventually comes 478 00:19:40,250 --> 00:19:37,200 around is that more sophisticated 479 00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:40,260 intelligences learn how to plant new 480 00:19:45,049 --> 00:19:42,720 civilizations and that this happens time 481 00:19:47,210 --> 00:19:45,059 and time again and that they themselves 482 00:19:49,730 --> 00:19:47,220 may be the planting of another 483 00:19:52,970 --> 00:19:49,740 civilization that predated them and this 484 00:19:54,830 --> 00:19:52,980 goes on and on and on in layers and 485 00:19:57,230 --> 00:19:54,840 waves and that's why you even have 486 00:19:59,810 --> 00:19:57,240 different dimensions of reality that 487 00:20:01,909 --> 00:19:59,820 represent different levels of the 488 00:20:03,770 --> 00:20:01,919 overarching Spiral where this kind of 489 00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:03,780 process perhaps has been taking place 490 00:20:08,750 --> 00:20:06,240 for eons 491 00:20:11,390 --> 00:20:08,760 now dialing back to this notion that I 492 00:20:13,490 --> 00:20:11,400 mentioned before about the experience we 493 00:20:15,950 --> 00:20:13,500 have of a physical Universe quote 494 00:20:18,289 --> 00:20:15,960 unquote is determined in large part by 495 00:20:20,450 --> 00:20:18,299 our current level of development 496 00:20:23,090 --> 00:20:20,460 regarding this last Point what I want to 497 00:20:24,529 --> 00:20:23,100 say is that humanity is still painfully 498 00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:24,539 naive 499 00:20:31,310 --> 00:20:27,360 not surprisingly any individual can only 500 00:20:33,470 --> 00:20:31,320 find itself in reality based on bearings 501 00:20:35,450 --> 00:20:33,480 in the same way we can only determine 502 00:20:38,270 --> 00:20:35,460 our level of Consciousness development 503 00:20:40,970 --> 00:20:38,280 based on what we perceive the parameters 504 00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:40,980 of possibility to be 505 00:20:46,430 --> 00:20:43,200 said differently as I've mentioned on 506 00:20:48,289 --> 00:20:46,440 previous podcast episodes one cannot see 507 00:20:50,990 --> 00:20:48,299 beyond the ceiling of One's Own 508 00:20:54,049 --> 00:20:51,000 Consciousness level anything above that 509 00:20:57,770 --> 00:20:54,059 is literally invisible non-discernible 510 00:20:59,690 --> 00:20:57,780 and thus effectively non-existent 511 00:21:02,029 --> 00:20:59,700 and when a lesser developed intelligence 512 00:21:04,190 --> 00:21:02,039 encounters a more advanced intelligence 513 00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:04,200 what it tends to perceive is either 514 00:21:09,289 --> 00:21:07,200 Godly goop incoherence 515 00:21:12,650 --> 00:21:09,299 or they commit what is known in integral 516 00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:12,660 Theory circles as the pre-trans fallacy 517 00:21:17,390 --> 00:21:14,640 which means that they mistake a more 518 00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:17,400 advanced stage of Consciousness for an 519 00:21:22,490 --> 00:21:19,919 earlier lesser one because that is the 520 00:21:25,070 --> 00:21:22,500 only map that applies for that person in 521 00:21:27,289 --> 00:21:25,080 that instance this is partly because of 522 00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:27,299 the spiraling nature of Consciousness 523 00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:31,679 development Allah spiral Dynamics so for 524 00:21:37,310 --> 00:21:34,320 instance Advanced non-dual spirituality 525 00:21:39,950 --> 00:21:37,320 May in an earlier form manifest as 526 00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:39,960 fundamentalist religion lower on the 527 00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:42,720 spiral so when for instance a modernist 528 00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:45,600 atheist encounters Advanced spirituality 529 00:21:50,510 --> 00:21:48,000 they may mistake it for a naive 530 00:21:52,850 --> 00:21:50,520 fundamentalist pre-modern primitive 531 00:21:55,210 --> 00:21:52,860 religion rather than for what it 532 00:21:58,610 --> 00:21:55,220 actually is which is metamodern 533 00:22:01,610 --> 00:21:58,620 trans-rational non-duality a stage 534 00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,620 literally invisible to this person at 535 00:22:04,610 --> 00:22:03,120 the Modern stage of Consciousness 536 00:22:06,289 --> 00:22:04,620 development 537 00:22:07,610 --> 00:22:06,299 by the way if you'd like to learn more 538 00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:07,620 about these various stages of 539 00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,120 Consciousness which are very well 540 00:22:14,330 --> 00:22:11,520 attested to both in the development of 541 00:22:16,190 --> 00:22:14,340 individuals and entire societies and 542 00:22:19,610 --> 00:22:16,200 that these arise as emergent properties 543 00:22:21,890 --> 00:22:19,620 over time I cover this in some depth in 544 00:22:24,529 --> 00:22:21,900 episode number nine 545 00:22:26,210 --> 00:22:24,539 now first off I want to point out that 546 00:22:28,430 --> 00:22:26,220 part of the reason why the question of 547 00:22:30,590 --> 00:22:28,440 how human civilization will respond to 548 00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:30,600 something like disclosure of the 549 00:22:36,649 --> 00:22:32,820 existence and interpenetrating presence 550 00:22:38,570 --> 00:22:36,659 of these many others is complex is that 551 00:22:40,669 --> 00:22:38,580 there are numerous different levels of 552 00:22:42,649 --> 00:22:40,679 consciousness coexisting on the planet 553 00:22:45,230 --> 00:22:42,659 as we speak 554 00:22:47,390 --> 00:22:45,240 not surprisingly how an isolated 555 00:22:50,270 --> 00:22:47,400 pre-modern tribe living in the Amazon 556 00:22:52,190 --> 00:22:50,280 will respond to these Revelations is 557 00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:52,200 different from how a modern Western 558 00:22:57,289 --> 00:22:54,320 Civilization will likely respond 559 00:22:59,690 --> 00:22:57,299 although interestingly enough based on 560 00:23:01,789 --> 00:22:59,700 the Norms of shamanic cultures the 561 00:23:04,190 --> 00:23:01,799 former may actually have an easier time 562 00:23:06,830 --> 00:23:04,200 of it than the latter because this 563 00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:06,840 notion of many others existing in 564 00:23:11,870 --> 00:23:09,360 overlapping domains of existence is 565 00:23:14,210 --> 00:23:11,880 already well understood it is their 566 00:23:16,130 --> 00:23:14,220 conventional understanding 567 00:23:17,630 --> 00:23:16,140 but when you take the middle ground of 568 00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:17,640 Humanity's present stage of 569 00:23:22,010 --> 00:23:19,919 Consciousness meaning you exclude those 570 00:23:23,810 --> 00:23:22,020 at the very early stage as well as those 571 00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:23,820 at varied Advanced stages of 572 00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:26,400 transpersonal understanding what we find 573 00:23:31,370 --> 00:23:28,559 is a vast majority who are still 574 00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:31,380 dominated by an overarchingly tribal 575 00:23:36,590 --> 00:23:34,080 perspective tribal at different levels 576 00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:36,600 some it's just a family some it's just a 577 00:23:41,630 --> 00:23:39,120 culture so much the entire nation-state 578 00:23:43,970 --> 00:23:41,640 and thus other members of the very same 579 00:23:46,430 --> 00:23:43,980 species let alone all the other species 580 00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:46,440 on the planet are seen as competitors 581 00:23:52,669 --> 00:23:48,960 for what are perceived as a cache of 582 00:23:55,549 --> 00:23:52,679 limited scarce resources and one sees 583 00:23:57,529 --> 00:23:55,559 getting ahead quote unquote as being a 584 00:24:00,649 --> 00:23:57,539 zero-sum game between these various 585 00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,659 competitors now undoubtedly some people 586 00:24:05,270 --> 00:24:02,880 are further along than others in terms 587 00:24:07,850 --> 00:24:05,280 of how this plays out and yet for the 588 00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:07,860 most part various degrees of tribalism 589 00:24:13,549 --> 00:24:10,799 still dominate this is the overwhelming 590 00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:13,559 center of gravity for our civilization 591 00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:16,320 at this point in time 592 00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:19,440 lest we forget or take this as normal 593 00:24:24,830 --> 00:24:22,320 because we lack the requisite context to 594 00:24:27,710 --> 00:24:24,840 see how primitive this actually is 595 00:24:30,770 --> 00:24:27,720 let's make this clear we still presently 596 00:24:33,529 --> 00:24:30,780 exist within nation-state borders where 597 00:24:35,930 --> 00:24:33,539 the most advanced so to speak Nations 598 00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:35,940 Still Point weapons of mass destruction 599 00:24:40,909 --> 00:24:38,880 towards each other which could at a 600 00:24:44,090 --> 00:24:40,919 moment's notice Wipe Out the entire 601 00:24:46,909 --> 00:24:44,100 civilization not to mention vast aspects 602 00:24:48,890 --> 00:24:46,919 of the biosphere right along with it 603 00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:48,900 and while waiting to see if we destroy 604 00:24:53,330 --> 00:24:51,360 ourselves with these nuclear weapons we 605 00:24:55,010 --> 00:24:53,340 work on bioweapons which are more 606 00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,020 Insidious but just as potentially 607 00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:58,320 dangerous at least for human beings 608 00:25:03,649 --> 00:25:00,240 of course in addition to this 609 00:25:06,010 --> 00:25:03,659 adversarial Us Versus Them Behavior we 610 00:25:08,810 --> 00:25:06,020 operate largely under a commodity slash 611 00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:08,820 resource-centric attitude towards the 612 00:25:12,770 --> 00:25:11,520 planet which is of course our one and 613 00:25:15,529 --> 00:25:12,780 only home 614 00:25:17,570 --> 00:25:15,539 almost daily now we hear about records 615 00:25:19,970 --> 00:25:17,580 falling related to climate change around 616 00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,980 the world it's one emergency after 617 00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,120 another 618 00:25:25,850 --> 00:25:23,520 And yet when people are challenged with 619 00:25:28,909 --> 00:25:25,860 making systemic changes that allow for 620 00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:28,919 some degree of a course correction they 621 00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,679 Bach opting instead for rather minuscule 622 00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:33,840 superficial changes that don't really 623 00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:35,760 even begin to Grapple with the extent 624 00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:38,880 and pressing nature of the problem 625 00:25:43,570 --> 00:25:41,279 and we exist within a system where 626 00:25:46,250 --> 00:25:43,580 billionaires spend Untold Millions 627 00:25:48,169 --> 00:25:46,260 constructing Doomsday Bunkers rather 628 00:25:50,750 --> 00:25:48,179 than using those funds to help those 629 00:25:54,169 --> 00:25:50,760 that still suffer under abject poverty 630 00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:54,179 and malnourishment on a daily basis 631 00:25:58,490 --> 00:25:55,919 and in the midst of this present 632 00:26:01,310 --> 00:25:58,500 predicament we consider it normal or 633 00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:01,320 legitimate to start expanding out into 634 00:26:06,350 --> 00:26:03,840 space when we have yet to address some 635 00:26:08,330 --> 00:26:06,360 of the most basic inequalities and 636 00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:08,340 emergencies that exist on our home 637 00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,600 planet 638 00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,760 now if we think these various others 639 00:26:16,730 --> 00:26:13,919 especially the more sophisticated ones 640 00:26:19,310 --> 00:26:16,740 the more morally Advanced ones are 641 00:26:21,289 --> 00:26:19,320 simply going to let this happen this 642 00:26:24,289 --> 00:26:21,299 exporting of a kind of collective 643 00:26:26,570 --> 00:26:24,299 Insanity we are fooling ourselves and 644 00:26:28,490 --> 00:26:26,580 are more importantly losing sight of 645 00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:28,500 exactly where we are presently located 646 00:26:34,190 --> 00:26:31,200 along the spectrum of Consciousness 647 00:26:38,570 --> 00:26:36,590 this leads me to a tweet that I made 648 00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,580 last night that seemed to gather a lot 649 00:26:41,570 --> 00:26:40,559 of attention and people asked for 650 00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:41,580 follow-up 651 00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:43,679 let me quote it again here this is what 652 00:26:49,549 --> 00:26:46,500 I wrote on Twitter last night 653 00:26:51,409 --> 00:26:49,559 for those with ears to hear many look to 654 00:26:54,590 --> 00:26:51,419 the skies and lament our supposed 655 00:26:57,710 --> 00:26:54,600 oppressive alien overlords but let me 656 00:26:59,870 --> 00:26:57,720 say this humanity is an experiment and 657 00:27:02,990 --> 00:26:59,880 truth be told the experiments 658 00:27:06,350 --> 00:27:03,000 incessantly divisive default mode is 659 00:27:08,990 --> 00:27:06,360 approaching an event horizon 660 00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:09,000 now what did I mean by this in a way I 661 00:27:14,029 --> 00:27:11,100 meant this twofold 662 00:27:16,669 --> 00:27:14,039 number one whether you believe that our 663 00:27:19,549 --> 00:27:16,679 alien overlords or those who seated our 664 00:27:21,710 --> 00:27:19,559 civilization will put up with the nature 665 00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:21,720 of the way the experiment has gone for 666 00:27:25,870 --> 00:27:24,000 very much longer is one question 667 00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:25,880 but even putting that aside for a second 668 00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:28,799 just the nature of how we are caring 669 00:27:33,950 --> 00:27:31,260 about our business brings our own future 670 00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:33,960 very much into question so that event 671 00:27:38,210 --> 00:27:36,000 horizon which those of you not familiar 672 00:27:40,850 --> 00:27:38,220 with that term means a point of no 673 00:27:44,450 --> 00:27:40,860 return in other words we are facing the 674 00:27:46,610 --> 00:27:44,460 precipice of self-destruction now I 675 00:27:48,169 --> 00:27:46,620 would argue that evidence suggests that 676 00:27:50,269 --> 00:27:48,179 there actually have been numerous 677 00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:50,279 civilizations numerous human 678 00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,220 civilizations even right here on the 679 00:27:58,430 --> 00:27:55,440 earth and that there apparently are 680 00:28:01,610 --> 00:27:58,440 these cyclical cataclysms that happen 681 00:28:03,710 --> 00:28:01,620 about every 11 and a half to 12 000 682 00:28:06,350 --> 00:28:03,720 years there seems to be a fair amount of 683 00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:06,360 evidence pointing in this direction in 684 00:28:10,970 --> 00:28:09,360 the historical record although again the 685 00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,980 archaeological mainstream the 686 00:28:14,390 --> 00:28:12,960 anthropological mainstream doesn't like 687 00:28:17,149 --> 00:28:14,400 to acknowledge that because again 688 00:28:20,330 --> 00:28:17,159 there's this bias towards naturalistic 689 00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:20,340 and non-interventionist histories 690 00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,320 we make ridiculous assumptions for 691 00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:24,720 instance about pre-history which is so 692 00:28:29,149 --> 00:28:26,460 old that we really have no idea what 693 00:28:31,370 --> 00:28:29,159 happened so to make strong conclusions 694 00:28:33,529 --> 00:28:31,380 about what it was like is at the very 695 00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,539 least begging the question 696 00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:36,240 but the point is if we are a seating 697 00:28:40,970 --> 00:28:39,360 experiment one amongst many then what 698 00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:40,980 you have to realize is there's a certain 699 00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,679 beginning stage and then there's some 700 00:28:48,529 --> 00:28:45,600 Randomness that comes into the process 701 00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:48,539 by way of our decisions that we have 702 00:28:52,130 --> 00:28:50,460 habits that we form and then these 703 00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,140 habits form us 704 00:28:57,289 --> 00:28:55,200 over time this repeats and repeats and 705 00:28:59,450 --> 00:28:57,299 repeats until you end up with Norms of 706 00:29:04,310 --> 00:28:59,460 civilization 707 00:29:06,409 --> 00:29:04,320 developed sticks and stones and Spears 708 00:29:09,769 --> 00:29:06,419 and cannons maybe there's only so much 709 00:29:11,570 --> 00:29:09,779 damage they can do while our Overlord so 710 00:29:12,830 --> 00:29:11,580 to speak wait for our Consciousness 711 00:29:14,269 --> 00:29:12,840 development 712 00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:14,279 but eventually it gets to the point 713 00:29:18,350 --> 00:29:17,100 where we develop nuclear weapons and 714 00:29:21,049 --> 00:29:18,360 that we develop the technology 715 00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:21,059 capacities to move out into space to 716 00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:24,840 other planets and then if we have a vast 717 00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:27,600 discrepancy between our level of 718 00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:30,000 Consciousness and our technological 719 00:29:36,110 --> 00:29:33,240 capacity that becomes a problem because 720 00:29:38,269 --> 00:29:36,120 now we are no longer localized to a 721 00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:38,279 certain Planet but we are now like a 722 00:29:43,789 --> 00:29:40,880 virus that could extend into the cosmos 723 00:29:46,010 --> 00:29:43,799 this is an issue we have been told 724 00:29:48,529 --> 00:29:46,020 experiences have been told over and over 725 00:29:50,990 --> 00:29:48,539 again that this has happened many times 726 00:29:53,389 --> 00:29:51,000 not just on the Earth but on other 727 00:29:55,370 --> 00:29:53,399 planets as well that it's actually more 728 00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:55,380 the norm that when civilizations get to 729 00:30:01,250 --> 00:29:58,559 our point they do tend to self-destruct 730 00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:01,260 under the weight of that discrepancy 731 00:30:06,590 --> 00:30:04,080 between their technological capacity and 732 00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:06,600 their Consciousness development we are 733 00:30:12,529 --> 00:30:09,600 very much at that same Event Horizon now 734 00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:12,539 we are quickly approaching it anyway 735 00:30:18,049 --> 00:30:15,120 now speaking of our civilization and 736 00:30:20,029 --> 00:30:18,059 specifically Western Civilization we 737 00:30:22,250 --> 00:30:20,039 have a high degree of emphasis on 738 00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:22,260 freedom of the individual which makes 739 00:30:27,649 --> 00:30:24,600 some sense but right now seems 740 00:30:31,070 --> 00:30:27,659 completely out of step with how that 741 00:30:33,169 --> 00:30:31,080 benefits or costs the collective and 742 00:30:35,870 --> 00:30:33,179 Beyond this for those of us who've had a 743 00:30:38,269 --> 00:30:35,880 non-dual realization we recognize that 744 00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:38,279 any of that individuality is ultimately 745 00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:39,840 an illusion 746 00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,940 that you can play with the illusion you 747 00:30:46,850 --> 00:30:43,919 can live into it but to be completely 748 00:30:49,610 --> 00:30:46,860 convinced of it to forget the unity that 749 00:30:52,130 --> 00:30:49,620 we are a part of is not only foolhardy 750 00:30:55,370 --> 00:30:52,140 does not only lead you astray but is 751 00:30:58,010 --> 00:30:55,380 ultimately utterly destructive it's like 752 00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,020 a cell that becomes a cancer cell in a 753 00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:00,720 body when it forgets that which it is a 754 00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:03,600 part of what it serves indeed in the big 755 00:31:08,690 --> 00:31:06,960 picture then it becomes problematic it 756 00:31:11,450 --> 00:31:08,700 takes on a life of its own that actually 757 00:31:13,250 --> 00:31:11,460 can destroy the very organism of which 758 00:31:15,289 --> 00:31:13,260 it is apart 759 00:31:16,970 --> 00:31:15,299 this is what happens when individualism 760 00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:16,980 is run amok 761 00:31:20,450 --> 00:31:18,960 now here I'm reminded of various 762 00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:20,460 experience or stories various 763 00:31:24,590 --> 00:31:22,140 experiences that I've talked to that 764 00:31:27,409 --> 00:31:24,600 I've gotten to know who have encountered 765 00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:27,419 this Oneness this sense of Oneness in 766 00:31:32,990 --> 00:31:29,940 these others I myself have experienced 767 00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:33,000 this now at first this can be very very 768 00:31:37,970 --> 00:31:35,760 overwhelming to a human being who's used 769 00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:37,980 to solid walls separating themselves 770 00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:40,320 from others not just in terms of our 771 00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,120 bodies but also our thoughts our 772 00:31:46,370 --> 00:31:43,919 emotions Etc 773 00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:46,380 but if you think back to the episode 39 774 00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,480 where I discussed yossi ronan's 775 00:31:52,370 --> 00:31:50,399 encounter with beings that he first 776 00:31:54,130 --> 00:31:52,380 encountered in a dream and then later 777 00:31:57,230 --> 00:31:54,140 woke up to find them in his apartment 778 00:31:59,810 --> 00:31:57,240 what he was struck by was how much there 779 00:32:01,970 --> 00:31:59,820 was so much vulnerability their entire 780 00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:01,980 presence which I call Total presence 781 00:32:06,590 --> 00:32:05,039 telepathy was available to him he knew 782 00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:06,600 everything about them 783 00:32:12,049 --> 00:32:09,360 likewise everything about him the most 784 00:32:14,930 --> 00:32:12,059 intimate interiority to do with him was 785 00:32:17,389 --> 00:32:14,940 exposed to them now to them this was 786 00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:17,399 normal this is just a state of affairs 787 00:32:22,010 --> 00:32:19,919 but for Ronan and for many human beings 788 00:32:25,850 --> 00:32:22,020 of course it's completely overwhelming 789 00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:25,860 and yet that ultimate unity is key not 790 00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:28,559 only to understanding these others but 791 00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:31,440 is key for a civilization to really come 792 00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:34,320 together and move forward and reckon 793 00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:35,700 with these challenges between 794 00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:37,980 technological development and 795 00:32:42,590 --> 00:32:39,840 Consciousness development 796 00:32:45,409 --> 00:32:42,600 and here I'm reminded of what Dr Edgar 797 00:32:48,289 --> 00:32:45,419 Mitchell a man to walk on the moon said 798 00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:48,299 about his Revelation about that Oneness 799 00:32:51,769 --> 00:32:50,820 when he looked back on planet Earth from 800 00:32:54,889 --> 00:32:51,779 space 801 00:32:57,889 --> 00:32:54,899 he said I quote I experienced an ecstasy 802 00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:57,899 of unity connectedness is The Benchmark 803 00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:01,440 reality and separateness is the illusion 804 00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:04,860 again that's from Dr Edgar Mitchell now 805 00:33:09,710 --> 00:33:07,320 his transformative experience led him to 806 00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:09,720 go on to establish the Institute of 807 00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:14,100 noetic Sciences ions in 1973 and this is 808 00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,220 what ion says about its founding by Dr 809 00:33:21,230 --> 00:33:19,200 Edgar Mitchell and I'm repeating this 810 00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:21,240 now because I think this is telling for 811 00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:24,000 how we should proceed from here on out 812 00:33:28,970 --> 00:33:27,240 quoting from their about us page he 813 00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:28,980 understood that by applying the 814 00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,600 scientific rigor used in his 815 00:33:35,090 --> 00:33:32,880 explorations of outer space we could 816 00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:35,100 better understand the mysteries of Inner 817 00:33:40,370 --> 00:33:37,740 Space the space in which he felt an 818 00:33:43,250 --> 00:33:40,380 undeniable sense of interconnection and 819 00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:43,260 Oneness our dear friend and founder Dr 820 00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:45,679 Edgar Mitchell passed away in February 821 00:33:51,649 --> 00:33:49,080 2016. at ions we continue this work 822 00:33:53,870 --> 00:33:51,659 today we use the power of science to 823 00:33:56,330 --> 00:33:53,880 explore our Inner Space understanding 824 00:33:58,730 --> 00:33:56,340 that both objective knowledge and 825 00:34:01,310 --> 00:33:58,740 subjective knowing are necessary for a 826 00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,320 more complete understanding the mission 827 00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:03,600 of The Institute of noetic Sciences is 828 00:34:08,210 --> 00:34:05,760 to reveal the interconnected nature of 829 00:34:10,490 --> 00:34:08,220 reality through scientific exploration 830 00:34:12,589 --> 00:34:10,500 and personal discovery 831 00:34:14,450 --> 00:34:12,599 we trust that individuals who have had 832 00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:14,460 their own transformative experiences 833 00:34:19,010 --> 00:34:17,220 will learn from our research both our 834 00:34:22,070 --> 00:34:19,020 scientific experiments and our 835 00:34:24,409 --> 00:34:22,080 opportunities for personal Discovery and 836 00:34:27,530 --> 00:34:24,419 gain a deeper sense of their own purpose 837 00:34:30,290 --> 00:34:27,540 we believe that by accessing that same 838 00:34:32,930 --> 00:34:30,300 sense of interconnectedness Dr Mitchell 839 00:34:35,089 --> 00:34:32,940 felt on his return from the Moon we can 840 00:34:38,930 --> 00:34:35,099 all contribute to enhancing the quality 841 00:34:41,450 --> 00:34:38,940 of life on Earth unquote 842 00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:41,460 now I'm very aware of the notion as I've 843 00:34:46,430 --> 00:34:43,919 stated in other contexts that to a large 844 00:34:48,109 --> 00:34:46,440 degree we form our habits and then our 845 00:34:50,750 --> 00:34:48,119 habits form us 846 00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:50,760 this is true both of individuals and 847 00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,440 Collective societies 848 00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:54,720 our Western society's tendency to 849 00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:57,359 justify certain long-term trends and 850 00:35:01,070 --> 00:34:59,280 behavior patterns based merely on the 851 00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:01,080 fact that that's just how things are 852 00:35:06,109 --> 00:35:03,720 done quote unquote or by superficially 853 00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,119 only making comparisons with other 854 00:35:10,970 --> 00:35:08,400 models which were or are even less 855 00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:10,980 tenable than the current one again 856 00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:13,200 highlights our nearsightedness and our 857 00:35:16,910 --> 00:35:15,119 tendency to deflect from taking 858 00:35:19,310 --> 00:35:16,920 responsibility 859 00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:19,320 our leaders of late at least on the 860 00:35:24,170 --> 00:35:21,359 socio-political level have been woefully 861 00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:24,180 lacking but we are responsible for a 862 00:35:27,950 --> 00:35:26,040 system which makes them the choices to 863 00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:27,960 draw from to begin with 864 00:35:32,329 --> 00:35:30,480 and I recognize that depending on where 865 00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:32,339 you live your standard of living Etc 866 00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:36,480 your ability to impact change varies 867 00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:39,359 but that said to be clear we need not 868 00:35:44,930 --> 00:35:42,320 simply fine-tuning but systemic changes 869 00:35:46,609 --> 00:35:44,940 of course these systemic changes begin 870 00:35:49,250 --> 00:35:46,619 with each and every one of us taking 871 00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:49,260 responsibility for the greatest fear of 872 00:35:52,849 --> 00:35:51,599 our own personal influence namely 873 00:35:55,069 --> 00:35:52,859 ourselves 874 00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:55,079 but a key aspect of the needed change 875 00:36:00,109 --> 00:35:57,119 involves the shifting of what we value 876 00:36:01,430 --> 00:36:00,119 what we invest in what we protect and 877 00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,440 what we nurture 878 00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:03,839 we cannot grow a sustainable system from 879 00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:06,660 a model of the world that sees people as 880 00:36:11,630 --> 00:36:09,359 separate individual selves disconnected 881 00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:11,640 from the larger whole and that sees the 882 00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:14,160 world we live in as a frontier to be 883 00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:15,599 dominated 884 00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:18,300 put succinctly we need to invest in and 885 00:36:22,849 --> 00:36:20,760 cultivate inner awareness inner 886 00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:22,859 Technologies rather than merely exterior 887 00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:25,440 ones that daily increase our sheer 888 00:36:29,690 --> 00:36:27,119 computational power 889 00:36:33,290 --> 00:36:29,700 because ultimately we can only grow our 890 00:36:35,150 --> 00:36:33,300 civilization's tree as high and far as 891 00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:35,160 its roots are deep 892 00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:36,960 this really comes down to not only 893 00:36:41,329 --> 00:36:39,540 making superficial changes that are the 894 00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:41,339 equivalent of a shuffling of the chairs 895 00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:43,980 on the deck of the Titanic but to a 896 00:36:49,130 --> 00:36:47,280 complete reordering of our priorities 897 00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:49,140 and on that note I'll leave you with 898 00:36:52,609 --> 00:36:51,480 another quote from Dr Edgar Mitchell who 899 00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:52,619 said quote 900 00:36:57,890 --> 00:36:54,960 we need to make the world safe for 901 00:37:00,170 --> 00:36:57,900 creativity and intuition for its 902 00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:00,180 creativity and intuition that will make 903 00:37:07,550 --> 00:37:05,040 the world safe for us unquote 904 00:37:09,530 --> 00:37:07,560 and on that note we've come to the close 905 00:37:11,870 --> 00:37:09,540 of another edition of the point of 906 00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:11,880 convergence podcast if you'd like to 907 00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:13,920 support this podcast you can do so by 908 00:37:18,290 --> 00:37:15,680 going to patreon.com 909 00:37:20,450 --> 00:37:18,300 EXO academian 910 00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:20,460 but until next time friends from deep 911 00:37:25,970 --> 00:37:22,500 within the Blue Ridge Mountains of North 912 00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:25,980 Carolina this is exo-academian signing